diff --git a/app/Classes/FTN/Message.php b/app/Classes/FTN/Message.php
index dbbce2b..695c975 100644
--- a/app/Classes/FTN/Message.php
+++ b/app/Classes/FTN/Message.php
@@ -497,7 +497,7 @@ class Message extends FTNBase
 			$this->mo->tftn->host_id,			// Destination Net
 			$this->mo->flags&~(self::FLAG_INTRANSIT|self::FLAG_LOCAL),	// Turn off our local/intransit bits
 			$this->mo->cost,
-			$this->mo->datetime->format('d M y  H:i:s'),
+			$this->mo->date->format('d M y  H:i:s'),
 		);
 
 		$return .= $this->mo->to."\00";
@@ -523,7 +523,7 @@ class Message extends FTNBase
 			$return .= sprintf("AREA:%s\r",strtoupper($this->mo->echoarea->name));
 
 		// Add some kludges
-		$return .= sprintf("\01TZUTC: %s\r",str_replace('+','',$this->mo->datetime->getOffsetString('')));
+		$return .= sprintf("\01TZUTC: %s\r",str_replace('+','',$this->mo->date->getOffsetString('')));
 
 		if ($this->mo->msgid)
 			$return .= sprintf("\01MSGID: %s\r",$this->mo->msgid);
diff --git a/app/Console/Commands/PacketInfo.php b/app/Console/Commands/PacketInfo.php
index b164464..dad84fe 100644
--- a/app/Console/Commands/PacketInfo.php
+++ b/app/Console/Commands/PacketInfo.php
@@ -97,7 +97,7 @@ class PacketInfo extends Command
 			}
 
 			foreach ($pkt->errors as $msg) {
-				$this->error(sprintf('- Date: %s',$msg->datetime));
+				$this->error(sprintf('- Date: %s',$msg->date));
 				$this->error(sprintf('  - FLAGS: %s',$msg->flags()->filter()->keys()->join(', ')));
 				$this->error(sprintf('  - From: %s (%s)',$msg->from,$msg->fftn));
 				$this->error(sprintf('  - To: %s (%s)',$msg->to,$msg->tftn));
@@ -112,4 +112,4 @@ class PacketInfo extends Command
 
 		return self::SUCCESS;
 	}
-}
\ No newline at end of file
+}
diff --git a/app/Notifications/Echomails/Test.php b/app/Notifications/Echomails/Test.php
index af11013..fd19a42 100644
--- a/app/Notifications/Echomails/Test.php
+++ b/app/Notifications/Echomails/Test.php
@@ -62,8 +62,8 @@ class Test extends Echomails
 		$msg->addText(
 			sprintf("Your test was received here on %s and it looks like you sent it on %s. If that is correct, then it took %s to get here.\r\r",
 				Carbon::now()->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->diffForHumans(['parts'=>3,'syntax'=>CarbonInterface::DIFF_ABSOLUTE])
+				$this->mo->date->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
+				$this->mo->date->diffForHumans(['parts'=>3,'syntax'=>CarbonInterface::DIFF_ABSOLUTE])
 			)
 		);
 
diff --git a/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNoWrite.php b/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNoWrite.php
index a738b78..d599b09 100644
--- a/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNoWrite.php
+++ b/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNoWrite.php
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ class EchoareaNoWrite extends Netmails
 				$this->mo->msgid,
 				$this->mo->to,
 				Carbon::now()->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
+				$this->mo->date->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
 			)
 		);
 
diff --git a/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNotExist.php b/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNotExist.php
index 07d8e04..30b7ffa 100644
--- a/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNotExist.php
+++ b/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNotExist.php
@@ -55,7 +55,7 @@ class EchoareaNotExist extends Netmails
 				$this->mo->msgid,
 				$this->mo->to,
 				Carbon::now()->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
+				$this->mo->date->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
 			)
 		);
 
diff --git a/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNotSubscribed.php b/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNotSubscribed.php
index 02cf6a0..3f0ac04 100644
--- a/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNotSubscribed.php
+++ b/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchoareaNotSubscribed.php
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ class EchoareaNotSubscribed extends Netmails
 				$this->mo->msgid,
 				$this->mo->to,
 				Carbon::now()->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
+				$this->mo->date->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
 			)
 		);
 
diff --git a/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchomailBadAddress.php b/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchomailBadAddress.php
index a9d0711..6b38d3d 100644
--- a/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchomailBadAddress.php
+++ b/app/Notifications/Netmails/EchomailBadAddress.php
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ class EchomailBadAddress extends Netmails
 				$this->mo->msgid,
 				$this->mo->to,
 				Carbon::now()->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
+				$this->mo->date->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
 			)
 		);
 
diff --git a/app/Notifications/Netmails/NetmailHubNoUser.php b/app/Notifications/Netmails/NetmailHubNoUser.php
index 15d1629..7fd9277 100644
--- a/app/Notifications/Netmails/NetmailHubNoUser.php
+++ b/app/Notifications/Netmails/NetmailHubNoUser.php
@@ -55,7 +55,7 @@ class NetmailHubNoUser extends Netmails
 				$this->mo->msgid,
 				$this->mo->to,
 				Carbon::now()->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
+				$this->mo->date->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
 			)
 		);
 
diff --git a/app/Notifications/Netmails/Ping.php b/app/Notifications/Netmails/Ping.php
index 7230e96..38c327e 100644
--- a/app/Notifications/Netmails/Ping.php
+++ b/app/Notifications/Netmails/Ping.php
@@ -55,8 +55,8 @@ class Ping extends Netmails
 		$msg->addText(
 			sprintf("Your ping was received here on %s and it looks like you sent it on %s. If that is correct, then it took %s to get here.\r\r",
 				Carbon::now()->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
-				$this->mo->datetime->diffForHumans(['parts'=>3,'syntax'=>CarbonInterface::DIFF_ABSOLUTE])
+				$this->mo->date->utc()->toDateTimeString(),
+				$this->mo->date->diffForHumans(['parts'=>3,'syntax'=>CarbonInterface::DIFF_ABSOLUTE])
 			)
 		);
 
diff --git a/app/Traits/MessageAttributes.php b/app/Traits/MessageAttributes.php
index c9f49d0..bc5becd 100644
--- a/app/Traits/MessageAttributes.php
+++ b/app/Traits/MessageAttributes.php
@@ -59,11 +59,9 @@ trait MessageAttributes
 		return ($this->msg_src) ? $this->msg_src : $this->rebuildMessage();
 	}
 
-	/** @deprecated use datetime? */
 	public function getDateAttribute(): Carbon
 	{
-		Log::alert(sprintf('%s:! This function is deprecated',self::LOGKEY),['class'=>get_class($this)]);
-		return $this->datetime;
+		return $this->datetime->utcOffset($this->tzoffset);
 	}
 
 	public function getOriginAttribute(string $val=NULL): ?string
diff --git a/app/Traits/MessagePath.php b/app/Traits/MessagePath.php
index c8d7687..946775f 100644
--- a/app/Traits/MessagePath.php
+++ b/app/Traits/MessagePath.php
@@ -19,7 +19,7 @@ trait MessagePath
 		$reply .= str_replace("\r---","\r#--",$mo->msg)."\r";
 
 		$reply .= "+------------------------------------[ CONTROL LINES ]-+\r";
-		$reply .= sprintf("DATE: %s\r",$mo->datetime->format('Y-m-d H:i:s'));
+		$reply .= sprintf("DATE: %s\r",$mo->date->format('Y-m-d H:i:s'));
 		if ($mo->msgid)
 			$reply .= sprintf("MSGID: %s\r",$mo->msgid);
 		if ($mo->replyid)